Comments on: Systems Thinking, Part 1– Definition http://improvemybusinessnow.com/2008/11/12/systems-thinking-part-1-definition/ Making the world a bit better - one streamlined idea at a time. Sat, 19 May 2012 00:34:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Systems Thinking, Part 2 - Application | Improve My Business http://improvemybusinessnow.com/2008/11/12/systems-thinking-part-1-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-64 Systems Thinking, Part 2 - Application | Improve My Business Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:24:13 +0000 http://improvemybusinessnow.com/?p=50#comment-64 [...] Part 1 of Systems Thinking post, I talked about how systems thinking can be used to see how our actions and task fit into the [...] [...] Part 1 of Systems Thinking post, I talked about how systems thinking can be used to see how our actions and task fit into the [...]

]]> By: Nora Femenia http://improvemybusinessnow.com/2008/11/12/systems-thinking-part-1-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-62 Nora Femenia Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:19:12 +0000 http://improvemybusinessnow.com/?p=50#comment-62 Hi, I want to point that the lack of acceptance/understanding and generalized use of a systems thinking approach has surprised me a lot. I grew up reading George Miller "Living Systems," a wonderful book that forced my brain to think in a systemic way (what are the unwanted consequences of today's decision that will hit me tomorrow?. Then I did systemic family therapy for a long time and understood how systemic variables shaped human interactions. This is a very humanistic frame that helps change fast! When I did manage to escape my country and live here in the US, was sadly surprised by the almost denial of systems thinking in science. Later I understood that this misuse had a reason: we don't want to think in owning the consequences of our actions! We can accept environment pollution because that is part of development and money generation, but we need not to care about who is going to pay for the consequences.... I live in Florida, and for me is easy to link environmental degradation and its impact on wild animals with uncontrolled land development. Usually, the media and the public doesn't make the connection. It involves becoming responsible for the long term consequences of our actions.... The present crisis, read in systemic terms is not more than "chicken coming home to roost"...we are not only victims, but we created the conditions for this crisis, and looking at the situation in this way helps produce the necessary solutions: own the responsibility and behave in a dfferent way! Hi,
I want to point that the lack of acceptance/understanding and generalized use of a systems thinking approach has surprised me a lot. I grew up reading George Miller “Living Systems,” a wonderful book that forced my brain to think in a systemic way (what are the unwanted consequences of today’s decision that will hit me tomorrow?. Then I did systemic family therapy for a long time and understood how systemic variables shaped human interactions. This is a very humanistic frame that helps change fast!
When I did manage to escape my country and live here in the US, was sadly surprised by the almost denial of systems thinking in science. Later I understood that this misuse had a reason: we don’t want to think in owning the consequences of our actions! We can accept environment pollution because that is part of development and money generation, but we need not to care about who is going to pay for the consequences….
I live in Florida, and for me is easy to link environmental degradation and its impact on wild animals with uncontrolled land development. Usually, the media and the public doesn’t make the connection. It involves becoming responsible for the long term consequences of our actions…. The present crisis, read in systemic terms is not more than “chicken coming home to roost”…we are not only victims, but we created the conditions for this crisis, and looking at the situation in this way helps produce the necessary solutions: own the responsibility and behave in a dfferent way!

]]> By: admin http://improvemybusinessnow.com/2008/11/12/systems-thinking-part-1-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-61 admin Sun, 30 Nov 2008 04:40:54 +0000 http://improvemybusinessnow.com/?p=50#comment-61 Hi Len, Thanks for your thoughtful comment. Actually, I was thinking of Management Systems when I wrote this - hence the 'systems' reference. While systematic is a key factor in this, do you think that 'systems thinking' is appropriate given my frame of reference? I am unaware of whether the term systems is an exclusive reference to computer systems or not... Regards, Mary Hi Len,

Thanks for your thoughtful comment. Actually, I was thinking of Management Systems when I wrote this - hence the ’systems’ reference. While systematic is a key factor in this, do you think that ’systems thinking’ is appropriate given my frame of reference? I am unaware of whether the term systems is an exclusive reference to computer systems or not…

Regards,
Mary

]]> By: Len Green http://improvemybusinessnow.com/2008/11/12/systems-thinking-part-1-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-60 Len Green Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:16:09 +0000 http://improvemybusinessnow.com/?p=50#comment-60 Mary I like the thread here, I see it often with clients. I was curious about whether your term "systems thinking" is perhaps hinting at "systematic thinking" because while computer systems may be a part of the solution, the approach needs to be "systematic" and factor in people and process as well as technology? Your thoughts? Best regards, Len Mary
I like the thread here, I see it often with clients. I was curious about whether your term “systems thinking” is perhaps hinting at “systematic thinking” because while computer systems may be a part of the solution, the approach needs to be “systematic” and factor in people and process as well as technology?
Your thoughts?
Best regards,
Len

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